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		<title>By: Don Cullen</title>
		<link>http://www.doncullen.net/?p=115&#038;cpage=1#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Cullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Broken link. Maybe you mean:

http://www.captionedmediaforobama.com/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broken link. Maybe you mean:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.captionedmediaforobama.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.captionedmediaforobama.com/</a></p>
<p>?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.doncullen.net/?p=115&#038;cpage=1#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is now a website, http://captionedmediaforobama.com where volunteers caption his materials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is now a website, <a href="http://captionedmediaforobama.com" rel="nofollow">http://captionedmediaforobama.com</a> where volunteers caption his materials.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.doncullen.net/?p=115&#038;cpage=1#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff-

Thanks for your comment. It&#039;s appreciated to know the Obama campaign is working towards making it so all videos will be released with caption at the same time the videos are first released, instead of deaf people being forced to play catch up.

There however is one thing you guys need to work on: shunting us off to a separate page that&#039;s badly organized is NOT inclusive. Even if you made the page organized, it&#039;d still not be inclusive because deaf people would be forced to go to that page instead of just watching the video anywhere they&#039;re embedded. 

Would it be possible for you to make it more inclusive by having all videos have a button that&#039;d turn on/off captioning, and embed that video as the default for all articles/pages? I know Hulu.com does it, so it should be very possible.

Jeff, thanks for commenting on the article, by the way! Your feedback is certainly appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff-</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. It&#8217;s appreciated to know the Obama campaign is working towards making it so all videos will be released with caption at the same time the videos are first released, instead of deaf people being forced to play catch up.</p>
<p>There however is one thing you guys need to work on: shunting us off to a separate page that&#8217;s badly organized is NOT inclusive. Even if you made the page organized, it&#8217;d still not be inclusive because deaf people would be forced to go to that page instead of just watching the video anywhere they&#8217;re embedded. </p>
<p>Would it be possible for you to make it more inclusive by having all videos have a button that&#8217;d turn on/off captioning, and embed that video as the default for all articles/pages? I know Hulu.com does it, so it should be very possible.</p>
<p>Jeff, thanks for commenting on the article, by the way! Your feedback is certainly appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.doncullen.net/?p=115&#038;cpage=1#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeff, I bet you could easily train campaign volunteers.

But thanks for your comment, and your efforts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeff, I bet you could easily train campaign volunteers.</p>
<p>But thanks for your comment, and your efforts!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.doncullen.net/?p=115&#038;cpage=1#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Don – 

Along with deaf advocates Howard Rosenblum and Karen Peltz-Strauss, I serve on Obama’s disability policy committee. We agree that it is best to have the videos already captioned when they are first released, and there are efforts underway to connect the campaign with the best available resources to make this happen.  The goal is to have captioning options that will provide full and effective information to all viewers as these videos are made publicly available. 

Please feel free to visit Obama’s Americans with disabilities blog: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/dahome/ and post your comments or questions. Likewise, I can be directly reached at jeff_rosen@comcast.net.
 
Thanks for your comments on the issue. Your support helps us all move forward together, in keeping with Obama&#039;s vision of an inclusive society. 

Jeff Rosen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Don – </p>
<p>Along with deaf advocates Howard Rosenblum and Karen Peltz-Strauss, I serve on Obama’s disability policy committee. We agree that it is best to have the videos already captioned when they are first released, and there are efforts underway to connect the campaign with the best available resources to make this happen.  The goal is to have captioning options that will provide full and effective information to all viewers as these videos are made publicly available. </p>
<p>Please feel free to visit Obama’s Americans with disabilities blog: <a href="http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/dahome/" rel="nofollow">http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/dahome/</a> and post your comments or questions. Likewise, I can be directly reached at <a href="mailto:jeff_rosen@comcast.net">jeff_rosen@comcast.net</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments on the issue. Your support helps us all move forward together, in keeping with Obama&#8217;s vision of an inclusive society. </p>
<p>Jeff Rosen</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.doncullen.net/?p=115&#038;cpage=1#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there&#039;s a free service that will let people caption flash videos (such as YouTube, etc) easily. They just tell it the text, time to display it, and the duration for the display. That&#039;s it. 

It&#039;s how Bill Creswell has captioned the videos so far. 

http://www.overstream.net/

So all they need is to hire a captioner, train the person in how to use overstream, and that&#039;s it. Problem solved. Best part? The only thing that cost them is the captioner himself. :-)


Edit: I&#039;d like also to add that it&#039;s also possible to add text to flash; it isn&#039;t that hard, I&#039;ve done it before. It&#039;s also possible to make it so if a viewer clicks a button (CC), the flash video would then start reading from a text file containing the captions. If they set it up via the button and text file way, then from that point on, all a captioner would need to do is open a text file, and put captions there in a specific format. There&#039;s many, many ways to accomplish them. 

What&#039;s preventing them is simply laziness and the desire to avoid having to pay a captioner to do the captioning in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there&#8217;s a free service that will let people caption flash videos (such as YouTube, etc) easily. They just tell it the text, time to display it, and the duration for the display. That&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s how Bill Creswell has captioned the videos so far. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.overstream.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.overstream.net/</a></p>
<p>So all they need is to hire a captioner, train the person in how to use overstream, and that&#8217;s it. Problem solved. Best part? The only thing that cost them is the captioner himself. <img src='http://www.doncullen.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Edit: I&#8217;d like also to add that it&#8217;s also possible to add text to flash; it isn&#8217;t that hard, I&#8217;ve done it before. It&#8217;s also possible to make it so if a viewer clicks a button (CC), the flash video would then start reading from a text file containing the captions. If they set it up via the button and text file way, then from that point on, all a captioner would need to do is open a text file, and put captions there in a specific format. There&#8217;s many, many ways to accomplish them. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s preventing them is simply laziness and the desire to avoid having to pay a captioner to do the captioning in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.doncullen.net/?p=115&#038;cpage=1#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason they can&#039;t have captioned media and uncaptioned media on the same page is because they&#039;re using Flash. Flash doesn&#039;t have a captioning feature. They can record video and play it. The work around is to have two sets of videos. Why it can&#039;t all be on the same page, I don&#039;t know, but from the looks of it if they were on the same page you&#039;d find a reason to complain about that, too.

One thing project readOn didn&#039;t mention is that no Republican candidate took them up on their offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason they can&#8217;t have captioned media and uncaptioned media on the same page is because they&#8217;re using Flash. Flash doesn&#8217;t have a captioning feature. They can record video and play it. The work around is to have two sets of videos. Why it can&#8217;t all be on the same page, I don&#8217;t know, but from the looks of it if they were on the same page you&#8217;d find a reason to complain about that, too.</p>
<p>One thing project readOn didn&#8217;t mention is that no Republican candidate took them up on their offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.doncullen.net/?p=115&#038;cpage=1#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several thousands, if not hundred thousands, of deaf people currently living in the good old US of A, so it would make more sense to caption their media files, because:

1) It would enlighten us on our knowledge about our candidates (yes this comment goes to anybody who&#039;s a possible candidate for presidency)

2) It may score them some votes. ;p

Grant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several thousands, if not hundred thousands, of deaf people currently living in the good old US of A, so it would make more sense to caption their media files, because:</p>
<p>1) It would enlighten us on our knowledge about our candidates (yes this comment goes to anybody who&#8217;s a possible candidate for presidency)</p>
<p>2) It may score them some votes. ;p</p>
<p>Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.doncullen.net/?p=115&#038;cpage=1#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, thanks for the numbers. Still doesn&#039;t change that all media needs to be captioned and equal access be provided for all. Perhaps I&#039;m just too much of an idealist?

As for the attention; I suspect no self-respecting giant media company would issue a C&amp;D order to you just for captioning their trailers. It would look very, very bad for them. 

But on the other hand, if you were to caption entire movies and redistribute them, then that&#039;d be a whole another story. Although if you were to caption movies, sell them, and pay royalties to the media company, I suspect they would be just fine with it. As long as they get a cut of the money, I don&#039;t think they would care.

But yes, I agree with you, it&#039;d be definitely fun to do the legal tango with a giant, especially when they aren&#039;t in the right. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, thanks for the numbers. Still doesn&#8217;t change that all media needs to be captioned and equal access be provided for all. Perhaps I&#8217;m just too much of an idealist?</p>
<p>As for the attention; I suspect no self-respecting giant media company would issue a C&amp;D order to you just for captioning their trailers. It would look very, very bad for them. </p>
<p>But on the other hand, if you were to caption entire movies and redistribute them, then that&#8217;d be a whole another story. Although if you were to caption movies, sell them, and pay royalties to the media company, I suspect they would be just fine with it. As long as they get a cut of the money, I don&#8217;t think they would care.</p>
<p>But yes, I agree with you, it&#8217;d be definitely fun to do the legal tango with a giant, especially when they aren&#8217;t in the right. <img src='http://www.doncullen.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.doncullen.net/?p=115&#038;cpage=1#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When captioning is done &quot;for profit&quot;, to make money on it, it takes 1hr/3 minutes of video.
Captioning a 30 minute speech without a transcript takes 10 hours, plus or minus depending on quality review, etc. (transcript can cut that time in half).

Probably $100-200? I would think in politics, that would payoff.

(As for legality, I&#039;ve wondered how much attention I might be able to get, if some giant media company wanted to take down my captioned movie trailers! Wouldn&#039;t that be fun!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When captioning is done &#8220;for profit&#8221;, to make money on it, it takes 1hr/3 minutes of video.<br />
Captioning a 30 minute speech without a transcript takes 10 hours, plus or minus depending on quality review, etc. (transcript can cut that time in half).</p>
<p>Probably $100-200? I would think in politics, that would payoff.</p>
<p>(As for legality, I&#8217;ve wondered how much attention I might be able to get, if some giant media company wanted to take down my captioned movie trailers! Wouldn&#8217;t that be fun!)</p>
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